November 28, 2010 at 3:41 pm #24944
November 28, 2010 at 4:33 pm #318034November 28, 2010 at 5:33 pm #318007November 28, 2010 at 6:27 pm #317984November 28, 2010 at 7:27 pm #317952November 28, 2010 at 7:31 pm #317950::
I understand your admiration for someone who leaves all like Jesus asks us to do when we follow him. On the other hand, what you are not mentioning is the fact that he also forsook his family. His kids were without a father. Do you think such a choice was from heaven? I think not. The Bible says those who do not care for their families are worse than infidels.November 28, 2010 at 8:16 pm #317935::
It just goes to show you that there are other things in life more important than women, money and power.
By the way, he had a beautiful young wife which he left behind with her full consent; she realized he had a higher calling.
Although I am a Catholic, I’ve always admired The Buddha.
St. Francis of Assisi and St. Conrad Confalonieri did it it as well.November 28, 2010 at 8:54 pm #317918::
Because he was moved by the transience of it all. Traditionally, there are two emotions that the Buddha is said to have felt when he saw the four sights that determined his course: Samvega and Pasada. Neither translates into English very well, but here’s how they are.
Samvega is a consetellation of emotions that encompasses shock, mortification, futility, and disillusionment. What the Buddha saw made him realise that the life he was living was pointless and did not contribute to lasting happiness. He was in effect wasting his life. Imagine if you realised one day that everything you have been doing, everything you believed and had been living for, was false, pointless, and a distraction? That is samvega. Samvega propelled the Buddha to search. Something had to change.
The other emotion, pasada, is similar to faith (saddha). It is serene confidence (rather than believing or affirming a particular set of doctrines). The Buddha knew that something had to change–he had to find the way to the end of suffering. Pasada was the confidence that he could do it.
So if you want to know what really got the Buddha going, what made him leave, that was it: samvega. But he could not have finished the job without pasada. Samvega is the engine that propels you, and pasada is the traction that keeps you on the road.November 28, 2010 at 9:41 pm #317902November 28, 2010 at 10:00 pm #317894::
Inner peace, of which I don’t see in many Christians, just in general. This should explain my pov I left the church many years ago. to self-serving, power and money hungry. I’m not a Buddha but love the philosophy.
[Creeds] have been the bane and ruin of the Christian church, its own fatal invention, which, through so many ages, made of Christendom a slaughterhouse, and at this day divides it into castes of inextinguishable hatred to one another.
— Thomas Jefferson, letter to Thomas Whitmore, June 5, 1822, quoted from James A Haught, editor, 2000 Years of Disbelief
On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind.
— Thomas Jefferson, letter to Archibald Carey, 1816 .
The whole secret of existence is to have no fear. Never fear what will become of you, depend on no one. Only the moment you reject all help are you freed.
BuddhaNovember 28, 2010 at 10:30 pm #317876::
In order to see things as they really are you have to clear your mind (not forget) of what you have learned before you begin the journey. By not maintaining his life in the ‘common world’ he would have the time to concentrate (or accept) that the lives that humans build up around ‘them .. selves’ is the illusion. So, leaving the practice of self-differentiation allows the searcher to empower non-egoic practice.
Jesus and Buddha both took time away. Both have ascetic practices and neither claim that these practices brought them enlightenment. I would suggest that it allows the cacophony around us and in our minds to settle so that we begin to glimpse eternity within the stillness of the present moment. From their teachings, both promoted the stillness of the striving of humanity and to rely on the presentation of all that is needed within the present without work of their own.
Becoming a monk may not ‘make you’ closer to God, but it will give you a lot more time to contemplate it. 😉
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